Hipster Rap

September 13, 2008


Technology is conspiring to keep me from finishing other vids, so in the meantime here's a quick one by request.

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Posted by: triciz at September 13, 2008 3:12 PM

Check out this article: Hipster: The Dead End of Western Civilization http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html

1. I think we have to learn the diff between "Retro Kids" and "Hipsters." Besides, none of these rappers are calling themselves hipster rappers, they're calling themselves rappers.

2. I'm a definite old head (grew up in the boogie down way back when) and the way these kids dress now is not a lot diff then how "some of us" dressed in the 80s (and some of us still dress now, ahem, *clears throat*). Truth be told, I listen to more Wale, Kidz in the Hall, Cool Kids, Kid Sister, Jay Electronica, Kid Cudi, Rye Rye, et al than I do the rap you often hear on the radio. For more it's a clear refection of '80s electro rap.

3.I'm not offended by it at all. I don't even see it as a movement. I see it as Detroit, Chicago, B-more, Philly, and other places some of this is springing from, as trying to have its own distinct sounds and style. Creative. Inventive. (And please don't say it's a trend, because it's not.) The amount of people that go to these shows and listen to this music compared to the amounts who listen to the autotune sounds of Kannye West and Lil Wayne is no comparison. Kanye and Wayne are trendy.

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Posted by: Ignorance Inc at September 13, 2008 4:46 PM

I'm unclear as to who you're identifying in your comment, retro kids or hipsters, as both seem like arbitrary terms no less. I do see, however, the need to distinguish between the post-1950s hipsters and modern black teenagers in sweater vests and argyle socks as they have a different lineage.

But I'm inclined to say that whether you determine them as hipsters or retro kids, they seem more of an extension of Kanye West and Lupe Fiasco (who I don't subsume into the exact same category, but both are a definite aesthetic break with the direction traditional mainstream hip-hop had been going at the turn of the century) rather than any opposition to them.

And if you had any basis for your point that this burgeoning form of hip-hop is "creative" or "inventive", you lost it with your characterization of Lil Wayne as "trendy". Weezy is one of the most dynamic artists (not to mention lyricists) of our time as he departs from a unique local development (what you called "Creative" and "Inventive" above) which has for so long been able to break out of its regional contraints (like Bounce) and is able to retain not only a general street legitimacy, but appeal to a broad cross section of society.

Regardless if you like him or not, you can never say an artist (let alone an artist from NO) who has been consistently relevant and genre-setting for ten years represents a trend.

The artists you mentioned don't have the same kind or length of development for you to make such a juxtaposition, but right now it's way too early to even tell. I don't think that the gauge for their validity will be how much national recognition they get (down here in New Orleans we see black youth rocking tight pants and ties and riding skateboards too), because Hyphy remains a strictly Bay Area, or perhaps Oakland, hip-hop form and it ain't no mechanical top-down trend.

I don't say any of this as an older jaded hip-hop head for even I accept this potentially new form of hip-hop (hipster, retro, whatever) on its own terms, but not because it "looks" and "feels" like the hip-hop I grew up on. I'm not gonna sit around waiting for high-top fades and African medallions to make their apparent return, but if they do it will be cause there is a real from-below basis for it, not because there's a vacuum of originality in hip-hop.

Krisna Best
democracyandhiphop.org

Posted by: Krisna Best at September 13, 2008 5:47 PM

Correction, I meant to say UNable above in reference to N.O. culture.

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Posted by: mstearne at September 13, 2008 6:01 PM

I'm not hip to "Hipster" rap (I'm way in Korea, these days), but from the images I saw on your Vlog, I think the youth are digging 80's fashion. I recently saw Janet Jackson's "Rock With U" video, and wondered if U.S. fashion was going back to the 80's. I'll have to check it out, further, but it seems that's what's going on. Personally, I welcome change. Fashion-wise, it seems that Hip-Hop has been stuck in '93, when, before that, styles seemed to change every 2 or 3 years.

Posted by: Heart at September 13, 2008 7:56 PM

Yeah! Bring on the tight jeans, neon t's and slap-bracelets, the early 90's are coming back in a big way. Myself, probably considered a hipster, am quite fond of groups like The Cool Kids. I mean, they have a song about Dyno bikes with black mags, that's my generation! - so badass.

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Posted by: gwen at September 13, 2008 10:44 PM

Your definition of a hipster gave me a headache. Surrounding oneself with "uncool" things to make themselves seem cool is the definition of a waste of time.

Another great post as usual.

Posted by: Michelle at September 13, 2008 10:48 PM

looking at things from a cold logical point

ppl check the music, its what we did way back when, improvising!

Posted by: Faifstarr at September 14, 2008 12:27 AM

Hey, let me just go a lil off-topic to ask something: could you please discuss the indie rap and this new face of the indie, where groups like atmosphere fill up every venue they perform on?

To me it's amazing whatching such a niche sort of rap going mainstream-ish without selling out ;)

Great post by the way :)

Nexus

Posted by: Nexus at September 14, 2008 9:32 AM

The article linked above gave a pretty spot-on definition for hipsters: "a class of individuals that seek to escape their own wealth and privilege by immersing themselves in the aesthetic of the working class."

In that sense, Kanye West is a "hip-hop" hipster because he has surrounded himself with the mythos of Hip-Hop culture. His Father was a Black Panther, and his mother was an English Professor. That's not the typical "Hip-Hop" environment to grow up in. There's nothing wrong with it, but it's not "Hip-Hop" in the traditional sense.

So Kanye made it OK to be nerdy/affluent/ and still rap about traditionally "Hip-Hop" subjects: Drugs, guns, misogyny, etc. Especially the rampant consumerism. That seems to be a big part of being a "hipster".

At the end of the day, it really has no meaning as it's probably only relevant when you're trying to sell people a bunch of crap that they don't need anyway. American Apparel sweaters, goofy sunglasses, etc. You know all the stuff that really matters when you're in high school.

Posted by: ColbyCheese at September 14, 2008 11:39 AM

"We are a lost generation, desperately clinging to anything that feels real, but too afraid to become it ourselves. we are a defeated generation, resigned to the hypocrisy of those before us, who once sang songs of rebellion and now sell them back to us. we are the last generation, a culmination of all previous things, destroyed by the vapidity that surrounds us. the hipster represents the end of western civilization - a culture so detached and disconnected that it has stopped giving birth to anything new."
-from ADBUSTERS #79, "The Dead End of Western Civilization" by Douglas Haddow

Posted by: E. Jayne DeMarco at September 14, 2008 3:20 PM

You had me worried there for a minute, but I really think that you nailed it in the end. I've been listening to The Cool Kids a lot recently. I've been listening to hip hop since 1989, so by this point, I think I can call myself an old school head. And I love The Cool Kids. I got their album on emusic and I watched their set at Rock the Bells. They were terrific, and in person they weren't really fashion plates to the extent that you might expect from listening to them.

Really, the modern use of the word hipster usually connotes someone who does something because it's considered hip. That is, someone who doesn't really have any individual preferences for things and just does things because other people are doing them. But at the same time, it's a label which is only ever applied to people who are doing something outside of the mainstream. It seems to be, more than anything else, a label applied to members of subcultural groups which have a non-mainstream, but shared aesthetic sense without a shared philosophy. It seems like people who are part of subcultures with a strong shared philosophy look at subcultures which don't and can't understand why people would want to be a part of them, so their explanation is "they're all just doing it because everyone else is doing it". Which, really, is kind of a strange way of looking at it.

So, for quite a while, I had come to the conclusion that there wasn't really any such thing as hipsters. But over time, I've come to believe that there are quite a lot of people who do or don't do things based on what other people think is cool, which I guess we could call hipsters. But most of them aren't the people who usually get called hipsters because they aren't even quite daring enough leave the mainstream.

People who bought SUVs instead of minivans because minivans are uncool, those we could call hipsters. People who root for whichever team just won the championship: hipsters. And yet these people never get called hipsters. So I do believe in people who make their choices based largely on what they believe that other people believe is cool, but those people don't really count as hipsters.

These days, it seems like the term hipster gets used to describe anyone who cares about fashion or anyone who ever does things to be ironic. So really, it's lost pretty much lost whatever meaning it started with.

What's abundantly clear, though, is that groups like The Cool Kids aren't being ironic, they're doing what they think is cool. And that people calling them hipsters because they dare to not wear baggy pants is, well, ridiculous. It's also clear, if you listen to The Cool Kids that they have a very clear idea of what cool is: being willing to do something which not everyone else is doing and not being bothered when other people don't like it. They also know how to make some fun music.

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Posted by: Incilin at September 15, 2008 1:10 AM

Hipsters, neo-hipsters, meso-hipsters, hipsta's... whatever. Some people make good music; some people don't. The only 2 classifications that matter. Simplify.

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Posted by: A.Elmi at September 15, 2008 3:38 AM

That was on extremely on point. Respect.

I have no problems with artists that are labeled "hipster rap," and a lot of their music is just as creative and "real" as the next artist's. I rocc tight jeans, and even though I was doing so a decade before this so called hipster-rap made it cool, I don't tend to care about what other people wear in regards to te quality of their music, so yes - Full Force was the shazzle.

I feel the most important and valid part of your blog though, was the middle section. Your definition of hipster culture and its (confusing) guidelines seems pretty on point. I totally agree with you as far as why I hate that culture in general - the sarcastic adaptation of liking music thats part of a pseudo-culture I've loved for most of my life is belittling and annoying. At the same time, I feel like a lot of non-hipster "real" hip hop heads are sadly on the exact same thing as hipster fans though...

Hip hop became a trend a long time ago, so what can you do, you know?

Posted by: Anacron. at September 15, 2008 3:49 PM

so here's the deal, I'm not so much upset with the "hipsters" as I am with the posers. Granted, I understand we've come to a point where music, fashion, and lifestyle are all one in the same, but I do believe, at least in my hood, many kids pulled out skateboards because of Lupe's "Kick Push". I think there are many fashion forward people who are mad that these kids are exploiting what was once real for them. Its very similar to the the Lo-Lives and their dislike for Kanye because of his exploitation of Polo. These posers need to be aired out. That all

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Posted by: ambernicole at September 18, 2008 7:05 AM

Everything old is new again.

Seriously, though, I agree with your sentiment that the word 'hipster' has outlived it's usefulness. As is evident from the comments here, there doesn't seem to be anything remotely resembling a consensus as to who it describes, except that it seems to be generally derogatory.

It seems to me that these 'hipster rappers' are people who have grown up in circumstances where hip-hop was not part of their upbringing or the culture they were exposed to, so they only came to hip-hop when they grew up and started exploring music for themselves, and hearing hip-hop on the radio. Just because they didn't get in to hip-hop until they were a little older doesn't make them 'posers' or 'fake', they just took a different path. If you like the music, you like the music, it doesn't matter if you've liked it for a week or a decade. OK, there are some people who take on the trappings of a lifestyle that they don't know much about purely because the music of that lifestyle is popular, but hey, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, dressing like a rapper is just another way of saying that you like rap music. Taking it that step further and claiming that you actually live that lifestyle when you don't is a different matter.

This is all really a result of hip-hop 'crossing over' to the mainstream. I grew up in white middle-class Scotland, and I (and I imagine a lot of people like me) had never heard of hip-hop until Eminem was suddenly all over the radio when I was 13 or 14. That grabbed my interest, and ever since then I've been gradually learning more and more about hip-hop and hip-hop culture, and listening to older hip-hop and less mainstream hip-hop. I think that what we are seeing now is the first generation of hip-hop artists who did not grow up with hip-hop, but who were drawn to it after it broke through into the wider public consciousness.

Posted by: Jamsque at September 18, 2008 6:17 PM

Everything old is new again.

Seriously, though, I agree with your sentiment that the word 'hipster' has outlived it's usefulness. As is evident from the comments here, there doesn't seem to be anything remotely resembling a consensus as to who it describes, except that it seems to be generally derogatory.

It seems to me that these 'hipster rappers' are people who have grown in circumstances where hip-hop was not part of their upbringing or the culture they were exposed to, so they only came to hip-hop when they grew up and started exploring music for themselves, and hearing hip-hop on the radio. Just because they didn't get in to hip-hop until they were a little older doesn't make them 'posers' or 'fake', they just took a different path. If you like the music, you like the music, it doesn't matter if you've liked it for a week or a decade. OK, there are some people who take on the trappings of a lifestyle that they don't know much about purely because the music of that lifestyle is popular, but hey, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, dressing like a rapper is just another way of saying that you like rap music. Taking it that step further and claiming that you actually live that lifestyle when you don't is a different matter.

This is all really a result of hip-hop 'crossing over' to the mainstream. I grew up in white middle-class Scotland, and I (and I imagine a lot of people like me) had never heard of hip-hop until Eminem was suddenly all over the radio when I was 13 or 14. That grabbed my interest, and ever since then I've been gradually learning more and more about hip-hop and hip-hop culture, and listening to older hip-hop and less mainstream hip-hop. I think that what we are seeing now is the first generation of hip-hop artists who did not grow up with hip-hop, but who were drawn to it after it broke through into the wider public consciousness. Hip-hop has gained a whole lot of new fans in the last few years, but some of them have gone and will go farther than just buying a 50 Cent album and a Yankees cap. Some of them are actually looking further and coming to a real appreciation of where hip-hop came from and what it means. Don't shun these people because they are new to the game.

Posted by: Jamsque at September 18, 2008 6:23 PM

9 out of 10 time I agree with you. But not this time. HIPSTERS are spoiled middle class brats who FEAST on working class culture. They are CANCER. Kill it with fire!

Posted by: Stockholm-Berlin at September 22, 2008 2:06 PM

Didn't Adbusters already kill off those hipster posers?

Posted by: Phresh n Tyte at September 26, 2008 2:38 AM

First Of all music is music and fashion is also a big part of it. I mean I'm from all three coast east west and south and I have seen how styles change and leave and what not. Being only 17 I haven't seen the trends hip hop had when it was born but I do my research.
Most people don't know what hip hop is.Hip isn't a hood thing and it aint a black thing.Though it was created in a hood by black people it was never just for those groups of people. Shit some of the best people in the industry aren't even from a hood or even black ( Kanye,Scott,Pharel,DJ ATrack)
Niggas Like 50 cent snoop dogg and Lil Wayne has people so fucked in the head!!! No Lie tho,those artist are good but there not Hip HoP!!!! There more of Hip Pop than anything,people that say "He's not Hip Hop,becuse he rocks tight clothes" is fuckin retarded and should be shot on point!!! I'm from a broken neighborhood Oakcliff Texas and lived in Cleveland and I've listened to almost everry rapper who has touched a fuckin Mic!! And lil wayne,50,or eminem has never said shit that touched my soul!! Kanye and Lupe and Tupac are the only ones that have lyricaly told me somethin that tuched my soul. Nowadays niggas like rappers because the beat is dope...that's why producers now are becoming more popular than actual Rappers.R&B singers are realer than rappers today!!
But Back to the subject Hipster rappers are more hiphop than mainstream and will definetly take over this new decade were about to go in to. I have listened to Kid Cudi,Wale,Cool Kids,Jay Electro,Koolaid.Kid Sister etc and they all have said somethin I can relate to.( Listen to Day N Nite by Kid Cudi and then listen To Bow wow,there both from Ohio) lol and cudi blows away bowwow or them mainstream artist.
So therfor all you faggeds checkin out hipsters n shit cuz they rock skinny jeans stop hatin cuz the niggas yall hate are goin to be the biggest niggas in the game

Posted by: Jameel Keez at October 18, 2008 8:21 PM

First Of all music is music and fashion is also a big part of it. I mean I'm from all three coast east west and south and I have seen how styles change and leave and what not. Being only 17 I haven't seen the trends hip hop had when it was born but I do my research.
Most people don't know what hip hop is.Hip isn't a hood thing and it aint a black thing.Though it was created in a hood by black people it was never just for those groups of people. Shit some of the best people in the industry aren't even from a hood or even black ( Kanye,Scott,Pharel,DJ ATrack)
Niggas Like 50 cent snoop dogg and Lil Wayne has people so fucked in the head!!! No Lie tho,those artist are good but there not Hip HoP!!!! There more of Hip Pop than anything,people that say "He's not Hip Hop,becuse he rocks tight clothes" is fuckin retarded and should be shot on point!!! I'm from a broken neighborhood Oakcliff Texas and lived in Cleveland and I've listened to almost everry rapper who has touched a fuckin Mic!! And lil wayne,50,or eminem has never said shit that touched my soul!! Kanye and Lupe and Tupac are the only ones that have lyricaly told me somethin that tuched my soul. Nowadays niggas like rappers because the beat is dope...that's why producers now are becoming more popular than actual Rappers.R&B singers are realer than rappers today!!
But Back to the subject Hipster rappers are more hiphop than mainstream and will definetly take over this new decade were about to go in to. I have listened to Kid Cudi,Wale,Cool Kids,Jay Electro,Koolaid.Kid Sister etc and they all have said somethin I can relate to.( Listen to Day N Nite by Kid Cudi and then listen To Bow wow,there both from Ohio) lol and cudi blows away bowwow or them mainstream artist.
So therfor all you faggeds checkin out hipsters n shit cuz they rock skinny jeans stop hatin cuz the niggas yall hate are goin to be the biggest niggas in the game

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