The Wall-E Theory
July 1, 2008
***MINOR SPOILER ALERT***
Uncovering the secret code hidden inside the year's best movie.
For real though Wall-E was a great film, and I don't expect this type of movie (or any movie) to comprehensively cover every sociopolitical issue.. but I did find it interesting how it approached environmental issues, in a way that basically left class -and race- off the table.. especially since race and class are so often left off the table when the environment is discussed..
Posted by jsmooth995 at July 1, 2008 10:10 AM
Posted by: Little Hater at July 1, 2008 10:52 AM
Wierd way to look at it. Not sure I like the conspiarcy theory J vs. the regular J, even if it's all in jest. Would have been easier to ask "Where are all the different cultures in the future?" But then again this is YOUR; do you kid.
Posted by: Stealthgator at July 1, 2008 10:56 AM
Different way to look at it. Not sure I like the conspiracy version of J; even if it was in jest. Just think it would have been a lot simpler to ask “Where are all the different cultures in the future?” And take a real serious look at that angle. But as we all know there are all different kinds of growing pains with being creative and pushing boundaries. Besides this is YOUR website. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: Stealthgator at July 1, 2008 11:02 AM
Heh. I like it. *SPOILERS*
I thought the same thing...then I wondered things like, "How are they still making money 700 years into the future? What kind of jobs are they doing? They got kids but they never leave those chairs...how is the sex happening?"
Come on..admit you thought about how the sex was happening. *grin*
What I thought WAS spot on is the way they nailed big corporations.
Think about it, they still send out the freaking bots to go look for the plants so they can go back...even though there's a directive not to.
Posted by: Barbana at July 1, 2008 11:40 AM
I hear a Mansard Roof through the beats.
Posted by: Matthew McVickar at July 1, 2008 12:28 PM
What bugged me about WALL-E was the love story. I mean, if you look at it on just the most basic level, it's a story about loneliness and then companionship, which are important themes that apply to basically every character in the film. AND YET they decided to squeeze it into the mold of a heteronormative romantic relationship. And let's not forget that these robots are genderless to start with.
And to make matters worse, EVE was feminized way beyond where she should have been. They took this totally badass, slick, ultra-competent robot and... gave her a giggle.
Posted by: Lauren at July 1, 2008 12:34 PM
Totally agree Lauren.
At the very beginning, I thought it would've been nice if WALL-E was a girl, I mean why not? And then I was thinking about the love story, if they kept EVE as female, lesbian robot love?? Now that would be progressive and awesome.
Posted by: Zowie at July 1, 2008 1:09 PM
I think you should leave the weed alone, Jay.
Posted by: Michelle at July 1, 2008 1:11 PM
Hmmm... maybe this is the day Jay smoked an herb too much. :)
What an interesting way too look at a film, tho. Now it makes me wanna see this film. lol
Posted by: Nukirk at July 1, 2008 2:47 PM
"Wall-E killed all of us." Classic. Jay, you never disappoint.
Posted by: Mike at July 1, 2008 2:53 PM
Fucking brilliant! Absolutely brilliant! And people, we srsly need to start talking about class, again!
Posted by: ix - working class and proud at July 1, 2008 4:51 PM
Lauren: Yeah that's interesting, between the really very traditional love story, the wishing life could be like the days of Hello Dolly and sorta pining for old Norman Rockwell America, it's arguably a very safe and even conservative movie despite all the props it will get for its bravery... Although I did like how when they're coming back from space, Eve is cradling Wall-E in her arms in a reversal of the cliche damsel-in-distress posture..
And yeah in general one of my biggest pet peeves is how Hollywood forces a finding-true-love story into the center of movies that don't need it, cuz they already have far more interesting themes of their own.. indoctrinates us all with the big lie that finding mr/mrs right is all that matters in life...
I mean really, why is Wall-E and Eva's romance the thing that drives them to save the planet, instead of being driven by, say, wanting to save the planet*? It would've been cool if we saw Wall-E motivated more by that fondness for humanity he showed in the early parts.
(*setting aside my cynicism towards the concept of saving the planet)
Posted by: Jay Smooth at July 1, 2008 5:35 PM
Posted by: Jay Smooth at July 1, 2008 5:37 PM
yo, anybody remember how much overt environmental subtext was in "FernGully"?
p.s., i know i'm probably showing my Jay Smooth ignorance here, but what Tommy Boy plaque is that in the back?
p.p.s, anyone else surprised that there has yet to be a super-gangster/environmentalist rapper named FernGully? Or is that just me?
Posted by: DJ Mydas at July 1, 2008 8:30 PM
Posted by: Hypatia at July 2, 2008 12:39 AM
>> I mean really, why is Wall-E and Eva's romance the thing that drives them to save the planet, instead of being driven by, say, wanting to save the planet*?
- because love makes you do some strange ass shit, like say.....save the planet. LOL
Posted by: Legend at July 2, 2008 2:42 AM
HA! I love the conspiracy twist at the end, you and my brother should talk.
Anyway, I haven't seen the movie so i won't comment but I'll be on the look out for what you are describing, it sounds interesting!
Posted by: Cynthia at July 2, 2008 11:28 AM
Posted by: knobbz at July 2, 2008 9:26 PM
Lauren and Zowie, that's why I didn't want to see the movie. It seemed like the same old Hollywood heteronormative story, with a male protagonist of course, and a female secondary character that exists almost solely to be the love interest. But with robots! Maybe I'll rent it later.
Posted by: Bianca Reagan at July 2, 2008 9:48 PM
knobbz: that's hilarious! thanks for the link.
Posted by: Jay Smooth at July 3, 2008 12:14 AM
Jay - when I saw the movie, I was thinking - "well, at least there are people of color in this future (albeit only black folks - mine got left off the boat)."
I mean - how many scifi future movies seem to indicate that only white people are going to survive the upcoming environmental demise to make it out to the first space colonies?
That said - if ish went down right now, how likely is it that that would probably be the case (at least in our country)?
Posted by: CVT at July 3, 2008 1:06 PM
Bianca- as always with Pixar, it's a mixed bag. It is sickeningly heteronormative etc., but EVE is also really, really badass. And in the parts of the storyline that aren't explicitly romantic, she very much takes the lead. It almost feels like Pixar created this amazing feminist character, then decided they had to make her more palatable by squeezing her into this romance storyline.
Posted by: Lauren at July 3, 2008 2:07 PM
I have nothing really to contribute other than this post (what do you even call these things? Videos?) cracked me up. Haha
Posted by: Dana at July 4, 2008 12:00 AM
or they just created a love story that included a feminist in it, finally. we DO fall in love you know. ;-)
but i do have to see the film before i judge.
Posted by: miss al boogie at July 5, 2008 2:02 PM
The Film was nice..I went early so I didn't have to deal with any kids...and I still ended up being surrounded by kids goin "look mom thats Wall-E...Look thats Wall-E" for the first 10 minutes of the movie but besides that......I feel you on the "where was everybody else at" tip...I was like "I thought they sent up more than one ship..cus tat ship they were on didnt even have a million people on it...and i agree with the other dude too cus i was wondering how they were having sex..and I was wondering that after 700 years of that Gene pool shouldn't all/most of them have been mixed into all the same race..and also shouldn't they have started to mutate(although you can argue that they did) because of the limited gene pool...and yea there was a war between the poor people and the Wall-E robots and "Wall-E" was the lone survivor so he was burying people in and under those huge piles he was making
Posted by: Detroit P at July 8, 2008 9:48 PM
And whats wrong with heteronormative...why does anything have to be gay...and..why can't a strong female character also fall in love with a man..that doesn't make her any less strong, it actually makes her stronger...as Jay Smooth pointed out, she was still wearing the pants when she had to fly Wall-E back into the ship
Posted by: Detroit P at July 8, 2008 9:51 PM
Interesting... very very interesting. haha. What I want to know is, why did they rip of SHORT CIRCUIT and model Wall-E ever so similar after "Johnny #5"? I loved the movie, but yeah, I mean... really?
PS: See Kung-Fu Panda yet?
Posted by: Kupi at July 9, 2008 3:50 PM
You got it all wrong. We are the robots. Or at least the Wal-Mart shoppers are.
Posted by: Andy Coon at July 9, 2008 11:40 PM
what happen to the URL you pimped in your video!
did you get served with a cease and desist?
walletruth.org - the truth about the Pixar future.
Posted by: vveerrgg at July 10, 2008 3:25 PM
Love it. I am gonna to assume that Pixar wants us to think that all the poor folk died off in the 700 years between Wall-E's setting and now.
BUT living in Oakland, I can tell you that there is a chance that everyone working for Pixar has gotten so rich in the past few years,
they may have forgotten us poor folk exist. No joke, dudes are BALLIN!!!
Posted by: Sayre at July 16, 2008 7:08 PM
Haven't seen the movie so I decided to check out some comments on Imdb and read this comment -
"This movie is based on the liberal man made GW doctrine and that us puny humans can destroy a planet that has been around for over 4.5 billion years. If I would have stayed for the whole movie, I would have felt guilty to allow the liberal doom and gloom Hollywood elitists to indoctrinate my child."
^Hilarious! And at the same time I have to agree. I feel people can be green, love the planet and treat it accordingly without all the unnecessary fear.
"why is Wall-E and Eva's romance the thing that drives them to save the planet,"
^Exactly and fear shouldn't be the reason either and most people I know who are green preach of the doom and destruction man and man alone is causing the the planet. I just can't listen to them. I do what I do because it feels good and it feels like the right thing to do. No more no less.
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A spaceship shaped like a giant silver pickle.
Posted by: Thomas at July 23, 2008 2:47 PM
Why People can never just enjoy the movie ...
It was heart touching. I love that movie.
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It was a movie. I am a writer there is no hidden message. You write what comes in your mind. For movies it has to be entertaining, keep moving some humor and putting the main characters in jeopardy once in a while or it gets boring With I subject like this in the future it has to have something that we can relate to. So do not over analyze it. Of course this could never happen the first group would not put up with it and would return to Earth.
Posted by: Kevin at September 16, 2010 2:15 PM
It was a movie. I am a writer there is no hidden message. You write what comes in your mind. For movies it has to be entertaining, keep moving some humor and putting the main characters in jeopardy once in a while or it gets boring With I subject like this in the future it has to have something that we can relate to. So do not over analyze it. Of course this could never happen the first group would not put up with it and would return to Earth.
Posted by: Kevin at September 16, 2010 2:17 PM
Oh one other thing. A successful screen writer once said there are 12 basic plots for all movies and books.
To come up with "new original" ideas is nearly impossible so you mess with old ones.
There is nothing new about Walle robot love, Earth covered in garbage, robots doing the same thing forever.
So one has to push "reality" to get "new" movies.
That is why there is so many remakes (even of bad movies), because they are running out of ideas.
There is no hidden agenda. Writers are just simple people that are trying to make a living, not people in a underground government propaganda machine, like you people think.
And the last thing movie makers do is what the government wants them to do!
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