Amy Winehouse and the Ethics of Clowning People
November 6, 2007
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Posted by jsmooth995 at November 6, 2007 7:36 AM
Heheh.
Great video as always Doc.
Posted by: E at November 6, 2007 8:58 AM
i like you jay - you're funny.
Posted by: Ass Hat at November 6, 2007 9:23 AM
So did you finish the video? I wanna see that one.
haha
Another classic posting jsmooth.
Posted by: Jay Solis at November 6, 2007 9:30 AM
Sorry... As a live performer, you have an obligation to GET IT TOGETHER before you go on stage.
If you put yourself out there like that, you get what you deserve... like that dumb-ass beauty-pageant-chick or Chuck Liddell.
Posted by: bill c. at November 6, 2007 9:35 AM
Definitely feeling where you're coming from. As a fellow blogger, I battle with this ALL the time.
I've tried to ridicule less and less and find that it's actually theraputic in some ways to take the whole "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all" approach. But at the same time, it's so hard not to post youtube videos of thirteen year old girls doing the "crank dat" with a confederate flag in the background and make fun of them.
I feel your pain fam, but if people don't wanna catch criticism and ridicule, then just don't put yourself out there like that.
Judging from what I've just written, I think it's pretty safe to assume JMack is a walking contradiction.
Love the video cast, keep doin what you do!
Posted by: JMack at November 6, 2007 10:30 AM
Posted by: AJ at November 6, 2007 11:24 AM
why is everyone afraid to criticize her?
i agree with what bill c. wrote before...
but also, it bothers me that you can't really get around talking about it.
it's like the britney performance at the vma's - it completely took away the attention from the other great performances and artists. sad.
Posted by: Alia at November 6, 2007 4:07 PM
Well said-- thanks for sharing.
Posted by: Meagan at November 6, 2007 10:39 PM
Posted by: Joseph at November 6, 2007 10:58 PM
It would be nice to think that our popular culture had enough talented artists and entertainers that we wouldn't need to waste our time discussing people who are only marginally worthy of our attention (and usually only for circumstantial reasons).
But the reality is that the level of creativity in our popular culture has plummeted to such a low level that Amy Winehouse's sordid personal details seem a lot more interesting than her music. Maybe if some other Jewish woman actually elevated herself beyond mere 3rd rate lounge singer cliche... then maybe we would talk about her art and not the drugs she takes with her boyfriend.
Posted by: eric at November 7, 2007 1:02 AM
Posted by: colin at November 7, 2007 1:42 AM
At the end you answered your own question, Jay. I feel you on that because I'm an Amy fan myself...finish the video and put in on YouTube because it looked like it was funny as hell. You ever saw her drunk singing "Beat It" with Charlotte Church? THAT was embarassing.
One.
Posted by: Dart_Adams at November 7, 2007 10:57 AM
"Ok, no more jokes AFTER this last one about eating some food and drinking water."
Actually, that was perfect delivery. Hit 'em just before the fade out. Nicely done.
Posted by: Dave C. at November 7, 2007 11:56 AM
You actually tried to translate this. Wow!
I feel you though. I posted the video where she made the blunder, and was mixed about even doing that especially since I've been one championing her as more than just a Lauryn Hill knock off. I've really vibed with she and her music since Frank, and then felt like some of my attraction to her voice was the tortue and pain that I heard within it in a Billie Holiday sort of way, or even early Mary J. Blige. No she doesn't sound like them, but there was similar pain.
In fact, her tone grew more cold and hoarse on the latter album as opposed to the first.
Anyway, I think if you would have completed what you were doing it would have been more than simply funny. It would have been provocative. You're an artist, and you create -- and if that happens to jab at others, it's the nature of the cultural idiom you've chosen.
Posted by: Lynne d Johnson at November 7, 2007 2:07 PM
Good to see you back Jay, another classic post, makin doods think. Stay up.
ONE!
Posted by: sauceBoss at November 7, 2007 7:46 PM
thanks for offering the video to download, very appreciated jay :)
I can't say I'm a fan of... Amy Winehouse, she's one of those artists I can't really see why she's popular, but I'm not 14 so I don't care.
You know Jay, I dunno if you're much of a gamer, but it would be cool to see what you think of the "racial implications" behind the upcoming resident evil 5, it's been a hot topic on many blogs.
Even though I kinda enjoy discussing it, I won't go into it, but I'll just leave you to perhaps consider it? :)
Posted by: TakaM at November 8, 2007 2:04 AM
it's the hip-hop aesthetic to just clown on people...ever since hip-hop was created it was about having fun and making fun of other people
battle rap comes out of that...hip-hop was and still is a big middle finger to traditional sensibilities
so, for people like Amy Winehouse, they deserve to get clowned on...and it's up to us, the hip-hoppers, to tear into her and people like her, to come up with witty lines (or videos in your case) to make fun of them
if you're in the public spotlight, you have to accept both the benefits and negatives, life is balance...that's why it's so hard for celebrities to win cases in court for libel and slander (i.e. the law that for a public figure to win a libel case a statement must have been published knowing it to be false and with malicious intent)
Posted by: Off Base at November 8, 2007 7:16 PM
offbase... you are confusing your personal version of hip hop ethics with some sort of actual, existing hip hop ethics.
there are no hip hop ethics, aside from you choose to imagine. and even if there were an actual doctrine of hip hop, it would be best to ignore it.
nobody "deserves" anything. people decide whether they are going to act in a certain way or not, and that is that. some people do things for no good or bad reason at all. there is no "deserve".
Posted by: eric at November 9, 2007 5:37 PM
Damn, Amy have more issues then Jet mag. Given her personal problems it is a gracious move to not clown her on YouTube...
...just don't think I would've been that gracious & would've posted the Brak parody hahaha!
Posted by: Nerdelphia at November 10, 2007 6:18 PM
I like you. I think you're funny. You don't have to ridicule anyone else for us readers to stick around. Just tell us what you feel, and we'll keep watching your videos.
Posted by: Bianca Reagan at November 11, 2007 10:43 PM
where's the rest of the brak video then! this blog is crazy good! abba zabba you my only friend!
Posted by: moobyseviltwin at November 14, 2007 9:09 AM
Damn it's hard. It's really, really hard. We're living in a snarky age. This is the world we made - the one where making fun of people is wicked funny and rarely thought of as hurtful. I like living in our funny world, but I have my share of guilt, too. The cult of celebrity is partly to blame. These people are so "out there" with every ameoba of their lives examined every day in magazines, the internet, entertainment tv shows. My first instinct is to blame them. My second is to think "Oh, God. That poor Amy. She's so f-ed up. Why is no one helping her?"
Then my third thought is "Haha! Brak! Hahahahaha!"
Yeah, it does suck to make fun of someone who's a front seat passenger on the express bus to Death, but Damn...Brak? That's funny.
Posted by: missb at November 21, 2007 4:07 AM
Craig Ferguson said the same thing, available on Youtube at youtube.com/watch?v=7bbaRyDLMvA
Still, Brak's always funny.
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Posted by: Simon at November 29, 2007 11:19 PM
Mad respect to you for having such a big heart!!
Posted by: From Sweden at December 6, 2007 12:10 PM
Do you think the industry is sanctioning or glorifying the lifestyle with the Grammy nominations and subsequent wins? Are they saying it's alright to be wasted on stage as long as you pump good music out of the studio and keep our pockets fat?
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